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Post by kinichie on Nov 17, 2020 19:40:47 GMT 2
So I gotten back into GPM2 recently, and want to try my hand at making a ModPack. I know one already exists for 1997, but I wanted to make my own as part of my own learning curve. I am doing some car graphics and need some advice/pointers on how to improve them. Specifically in this case, I am making car graphics for teams in 1997. I don't like other modpacks using Photo Realistic car graphics and instead I am focusing on making Vanilla-Graphic styles. This is my attempt at the Lola F1 car. I am trying to capture the blockyness, lack of aero on the car along with its striking livery but feel I am missing some things. It's hard to replicate a car that doesn't have curves on it, but also don't want it to just look like stuck paint. Am I doing well?  |
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Post by das111 on Nov 18, 2020 16:43:35 GMT 2
love the work you've done.
i think the only inaccuract seems to be the front wing side plate too small at the front, and the color of the rims.
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Post by kinichie on Nov 19, 2020 0:38:59 GMT 2
love the work you've done. i think the only inaccuract seems to be the front wing side plate too small at the front, and the color of the rims. Yeah, its a rough first draft. I also need to add some better dithering in. I did McLaren and Sauber earlier, and also working on Arrows. It is only when I put them together like this that I need to work on the arrows front wheel. I still need to do the Bridgestone logos for Arrows and Lola along with improving their rims.  |
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Post by das111 on Nov 19, 2020 13:27:19 GMT 2
nice.
i think you should make the sauber side pod more aqua colored.
so far so good.
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Post by kinichie on Nov 19, 2020 15:13:57 GMT 2
nice. i think you should make the sauber side pod more aqua colored. so far so good.  I did try that, however the only colours that can be used for these images are the ones above. It makes it very difficult to replicate accurate colours and in some cases, especially with Blue cars, difficult to do proper shading. Maybe I will use the turquoise of the lines like on the barge board on the sidepod.  This mornings work came focused on finishing the Arrows car - some detail cannot be captured because of the limited colourage from the palette above with the blues, however I did finalise the design for the Bridgestone tyres, and some fine-tuning to the McLaren on the Nose Cone and Engine Cover in particular. EDIT: Tried the colour change of the Sauber you suggested. Actually came out alright. The new one is the top image. I still need to do the Wheel Rim on the Sauber.  |
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Post by Nuppiz on Nov 19, 2020 17:15:35 GMT 2
They look really nice, keep it up!  |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 19, 2020 18:58:46 GMT 2
The final work today comes in the form of a couple of the 1997 Backmarkers. Tyrrell and Minardi. I am not currently happy with the Tyrrell, however I think that is down to the lack of detail on the real car. Whilst I could capture the multicoloured Minardi's curves and effects well, the Tyrrell with its lack of them, blocky design and basically just being white meant that even now I feel somewhat disappointed with the result. This was the image of the Tyrrell that I used, and in no other real-life pictures from any track could I find a barge board despite this picture showing one existing. I also have not added the X/Y wing(?) to this car despite it running them later in the season.   |
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Post by Nuvolari on Nov 19, 2020 19:28:49 GMT 2
Oh, wowser! You have my congratulations, this look pretty neat!  |
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Post by das111 on Nov 20, 2020 0:03:50 GMT 2
sauber seems spot on now. never noticed that tyrrell didn't have bargeboards, guess they took ispiration for their car from gpm2 |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 20, 2020 1:03:58 GMT 2
sauber seems spot on now. never noticed that tyrrell didn't have bargeboards, guess they took ispiration for their car from gpm2 I think because they pioneered the 'winglet's or X/Y Wings that they focused their attention on those and not on bargeboards. |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 20, 2020 15:38:28 GMT 2
Today I have been working on the Prost. Another rather bland car, I tried to add a little flair with some of the sponsors. Perhaps I should consider doing the Cig sponsor on the sidepod, which might also be a solution for the Tyrrell.  |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 20, 2020 19:02:13 GMT 2
Full update of all cars and progress. Still to do are the top down images. Tracks may need to ask others if I can use theirs in a complete modpack (A1 ring etc.)  |
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Post by das111 on Nov 20, 2020 19:58:41 GMT 2
lovely work, can't wait for the jordan.
why is marques both at minardi and prost? shoulnd't sarrazin be the test driver at prost?
and why is the front rim of the prost not fully colored?
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Post by kinichie on Nov 20, 2020 20:35:16 GMT 2
lovely work, can't wait for the jordan. why is marques both at minardi and prost? shoulnd't sarrazin be the test driver at prost? and why is the front rim of the prost not fully colored? @marques: Mistake. Think I was updating Test Drivers and made the mistake. @prost Rims: Those were the Rim designs used for the Ligier. I just didn't update them to one or the other. Couldn't decide which to use. |
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Post by Nuvolari on Nov 21, 2020 2:05:33 GMT 2
Full update of all cars and progress. Still to do are the top down images. Tracks may need to ask others if I can use theirs in a complete modpack (A1 ring etc.) Let me do some changes for you-Pedro de la Rosa tested for Jordan in 1997 and 1998, before joining Arrows in 1999; here's some proof!  While Sauber indeed had 4 drivers (Herbert, Larini, Morbidelli & Fontana) that season, I can see one of them being a Ferrari test-driver, you know, mainly because the Petronas-powered being a Ferrari engine.  Whether you could consider this as an option or not, it's up to you. |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 21, 2020 3:35:23 GMT 2
Another mistake I made trying to quickly put that sheet together - I have now updated my spreadsheet. Pedro de la Rosa in at Jordan for Test, and Nick Heidfeld at McLaren. I am tempted to put Larini over at Ferrari as he is their test driver for GPM2-1996 and have Morbidelli and Fontana as Saubers 2/T, especially as Morbidelli did more races for Sauber that year. Arrows had Jorg Muller, Martin Brundle and Darren Turner test for them in 1997. I don't think Stewart had a test driver until 1998 when Burti came in. |
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Post by Nuvolari on Nov 21, 2020 16:05:29 GMT 2
Another mistake I made trying to quickly put that sheet together - I have now updated my spreadsheet. Pedro de la Rosa in at Jordan for Test, and Nick Heidfeld at McLaren. I am tempted to put Larini over at Ferrari as he is their test driver for GPM2-1996 and have Morbidelli and Fontana as Saubers 2/T, especially as Morbidelli did more races for Sauber that year. Arrows had Jorg Muller, Martin Brundle and Darren Turner test for them in 1997. I don't think Stewart had a test driver until 1998 when Burti came in. I mean, not exactly every single team had a test-driver, and the way the game works (contract-wise talking), there are just a few spots that can be fullied without getting the 0/0 contract issue (which happens when you add new test-drivers that weren't "part" of the 1996 game). Tldr; it's okay if some spots are missing-teams will full them after 1 round and there won't be any drivers with 256/0 on their contract. |
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Post by Nuppiz on Nov 22, 2020 19:29:23 GMT 2
There's 32 slots with 16/16 contracts and two more with 0/16 contracts, so there's easily enough slots for all teams except two to have test drivers.
Juan Pablo Montoya tested for Williams late in 1997 (and again in 1998), so he's an alternative to Boullion. Jörg Müller is the most viable option for Arrows TD. I'd also replace Forti with Dome, which would allow Montermini to be moved as Lola's TD (which he officially was, although he only ever got one very short test).
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Post by kinichie on Nov 22, 2020 22:15:41 GMT 2
There's 32 slots with 16/16 contracts and two more with 0/16 contracts, so there's easily enough slots for all teams except two to have test drivers. Juan Pablo Montoya tested for Williams late in 1997 (and again in 1998), so he's an alternative to Boullion. Jörg Müller is the most viable option for Arrows TD. I'd also replace Forti with Dome, which would allow Montermini to be moved as Lola's TD (which he officially was, although he only ever got one very short test). Yeah, I was debating who to replace Forti with and considered just leaving them there as they were the most recent to drop out. I had also wanted to put the Shannon Racing green and white on the Forti car to differentiate it from the original 1996 car. The only reason they still exist in my game files is because Lola taking Cassini's place was more logical considering how much of a failure the Lola project was. I don't know much about Dome. I assume they are an entry that was suppose to join in the late Nineties but never surfaced? I think Muller will go to Arrows, I was going to leave Forti and Lola without test drivers to be the 2 without TD's. I'll post my full Driver list soon, Pros and Rookies alike. Today's work comes in the form of Scarlet. I am unsure whether to keep the Shell logo, Pioneer banner, and the Cigarette banner on the engine case. But it allowed me to flesh out what would otherwise just be a red car. At least the 1996 car had plenty going on for its ingame model. This 1997 car is blocky but I really like it.  I must also stress that none of these images so far are considered to be 'final products'. The more I do these, the more I learn. Doing Minardi and Ferrari alone has taught me more about shading and dithering to the point Lola looks like a poor final product now. |
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Post by Nuppiz on Nov 22, 2020 22:40:46 GMT 2
Yeah, I was debating who to replace Forti with and considered just leaving them there as they were the most recent to drop out. I had also wanted to put the Shannon Racing green and white on the Forti car to differentiate it from the original 1996 car. The only reason they still exist in my game files is because Lola taking Cassini's place was more logical considering how much of a failure the Lola project was. I don't know much about Dome. I assume they are an entry that was suppose to join in the late Nineties but never surfaced? Also you might find this one useful for the names of team personnel: www.grandprix.com/features/joe-saward/financial-the-size-of-formula-1-teams.htmlShould you replace Forti with Dome, their staff would be: Manager: Minoru Hayashi CD: Akiyoshi Oku CE: Yoshinobu Noguchi CM: Hiroshi Shirai CMAN: Tadashi Sasaki |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 22, 2020 22:59:39 GMT 2
Both links are very useful. Thank you. So now to choose between adding in Dome in place of Forti or have the Shannon designed Forti car. Maybe go with Dome as Forti by then had gone? The Dome car is rather uninspiring though, but looks very 1997 for something built in 1996. At least at its one true F1 test it was faster than one of the Minardis. That personnel document again highlights the dilemma I am having with where to place Morbidelli, Larini, & Fontana. As Morbidelli test drove for Ferrari, but drove for Sauber. Whilst Fontana test drove for Sauber, and also drove for the team. This does now suggest that maybe Sauber should be Herbert, Larini and Fontana. Whilst Ferrari have Morbidelli as their test. I will also be putting Jorg Muller in at Arrows. I'm currently doing the Jordan; I tend to do 2 of these a day, might get 3 done, though as not being bugged/bothered. Maybe I should do a quick mockup of that Shannone Racing Forti as the model will be the same as the 1996 one, and also do a quick mockup of the Dome too. |
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Post by kinichie on Nov 22, 2020 23:37:31 GMT 2
Careful. This one has bite. Actually might be my favourite so far.  |
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Post by das111 on Nov 23, 2020 0:11:04 GMT 2
hell yeah, my favorite jordan livery <3
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Post by kinichie on Nov 23, 2020 0:37:33 GMT 2
 My final update today. Leaving Williams, Benetton, Stewart and all the mini-fixes I want to do on all models for this week. I think I have made the dome too long. It seems in the pictures I find of it to be quite small compared to the standard Goodyear compound tyres of 1996. |
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Post by das111 on Nov 23, 2020 1:41:52 GMT 2
i would prefer the forti, as the dome is too similiar to stewart and tyrrell in color
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