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Post by manuel on Sept 25, 2020 17:03:45 GMT 2
Gentleman,
For years and years on we still play the same old Grand Prix Manager Games. There where several new Manager Games, but non of them had the deep and the detail we all love on our GPM games. Since years on, it seems like Edward Grabowski was the only person who created games for us that had the detail we need to have a long term motivation. the new games had nice grahpic, new technic and all, but they where all boring after a few years. So what do we miss? We miss a new Motorsport Manager game that is playable without any compatibility problems. With a high level of detail and a long term motivation.
A few years ago, a friend for mine and I wrote some scripts for a online football manager. (you can reach the successor here: and we got som experience in web design, php and mysql database handling. Our old Manager Games are quite the same. The graphic detail is low, the detail of the simulation is unreached. So, with a community behind it, and a little time to work, we should be able to write a new Motorsport Manager. It comes online with a multiplayer for sure, i think thats something we all missed in the old GP Manager games. I think GPM2 is still able through hamachi. but thats not like just join a game.
What i plan:
-full in browser, so it can be played on desktop, mobile, linux, tablet or whatever you want -full multiplayer against real human players -very high deep detailed simulation that include different driver skills, also different car skills (like downforce, tyre management, relaibility), different engine suppliers and engines that make a differents on the track, sponsor marked, driver marked, stuff marked, and all we know from our old games. -different leagues. so the project can grow and there is always a free place for everyone, maybe i plan different skill leagues. like the big leagues have the big cars, and youth leagues. not sure right now. -full simulated race where you can plan pitstops, and have coincidence events like rain, safetycar and all.
what do you guys think? is there a marked for this? this is not a projekt for a week, i think thats a always-under-construction-thing.
greetings!
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Post by mheinflitzer233 on Sept 26, 2020 8:40:14 GMT 2
so you will making this?
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Post by manuel on Sept 26, 2020 13:51:14 GMT 2
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Post by das111 on Sept 26, 2020 21:58:50 GMT 2
not to be a party pooper or anything but i think what you describe is impossible to make.
feel free to try.
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Post by alfikhoazka on Sept 27, 2020 3:40:56 GMT 2
this is brilliant!
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Post by manuel on Sept 27, 2020 14:51:26 GMT 2
not to be a party pooper or anything but i think what you describe is impossible to make. feel free to try.
your not the party pooper^^
I think everybody knows, that this is not a project for a few weeks, it will take month of working for sure.
but it is not impossible at all! a friend of me and I already wrote a football manager simulation as a browser game. so we already have experience in this. its not like we woke up this morning and telling ourselfs halleluja we will do this 
I give you guys updates here, I show you the process and if you all want, you can give us suggestions and share your own ideas. Since this project is just started, it is very easy to take it into the on or into the other ways, as we all like it
a small first look:
what you can see, is a mysql database. you can see what the drivers will be capable of. like, they will got rain abilities simular to GrandPrixWorld. But we go deeper! We dont have just speed, we have quali speed and race speed to make it more realistic. and the exp (experience) will be more important than in GrandPrixWorld. It is planed that it will effect the development of the car. so a experienced driver will help you to get a faster car. putting 2 rookies into your cars will not be as easy as it sounds becauce they dont give you the same feedback for your projects. the next step is, to get tables for the teams, engines, projects and everything. so very technical.
I cant tell you how often i will update this, but i think from time to time i give you guys screenshots and infos. for the first weeks, there will be more technical like this one, how the game will calculate and what it will use. maybe not so exciting then the final steps of the process. i will keep you updated!
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Post by alfikhoazka on Sept 28, 2020 1:40:21 GMT 2
do you will use fake drivers,teams,engines,and tyres?
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Post by manuel on Sept 28, 2020 11:50:12 GMT 2
do you will use fake drivers,teams,engines,and tyres? for the first season(s) we could use real F1. as long as it stays privat here. in the future, i plan different leagues. so everybody can create his own league with his friends and give the league a password. you could still use there real names. but in public leagues, we need to get our own names^^
another news: there where several plans how to display the race. the easiest is a live ticker, another one was the race from the top down on a 2d circuit with buttons thats display the cars, the last and most complicated would be to display 3d models. we choosed the last one because we got someone in the team who knows how to do:
please remember, this is the earliest stage of the developement you could see. there are no details at all at the car, the frontwing is too large, to high, and this car will NEVER be used in this status, but you can see how it goes forward and what we do.
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Post by alfikhoazka on Sept 28, 2020 12:51:31 GMT 2
great! i cant wait for this!
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Post by manuel on Sept 28, 2020 23:21:10 GMT 2
Today was another major step. Our cars raced the first rounds in the simulation! For first, it was very basic. A car did a lap. After it, a car did more then 1 lap, it did 50 laps and every lap was counted as predicted. Now, we bring some pepper into it. rain! there will be a forecast which will help you with your strategy plans. Bad car? No chance to win? Put hard tyres on the car and hope for rain!
you can see on the screen a forecast which says to 88% it will rain in the race. After it, the simulation says that ir will rain with the begin of lap 18. Not in the pits yet? Thats your chance! in GrandPrixWorld it was not so detailed. you had rainy conditions to the start or dry. but no forecast. As you can see its still pretty basic. This is NOT the game, thats the simulation which runs in the background. The game will be as i told you guys look like our GPM2 or GPW
as you can see, the simulation is german. because our team is^^ but dont worry you will have a fill englisch game. just the technic in the background is german
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Post by alfikhoazka on Sept 29, 2020 2:12:25 GMT 2
will you add another f1 old season? like 1999 season,1998,2000? or only 2020? maybe this will make another work
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Post by mheinflitzer233 on Sept 29, 2020 10:43:51 GMT 2
will you add another f1 old season? like 1999 season,1998,2000? or only 2020? maybe this will make another work i want this too! if you make it |
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Post by manuel on Sept 29, 2020 12:10:01 GMT 2
This will be included. We plan different leagues. And everybody can create his own league. Privat or public, its your decision. And in your own league you can control whatever you want. How much Teams are allowed? How much races and on which tracks? And, for sure, you can create your own Teams with own names and own drivers. For this, there will be a button "join league and choose team" or "create new league". With "create new league", you will get something like a small admin center where you can edit everything. In a later stage, we also want to have a singleplayer. So for this we need to write a simple AI that that develops the car, find sponsors and hire drivers. But this is something we havent done before. So thats a plan for the future. But the rest, you will be included! |
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Post by alfikhoazka on Sept 29, 2020 13:30:31 GMT 2
absolutely beautiful!
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Post by manuel on Oct 6, 2020 18:14:30 GMT 2
small update, but very important: maybe you guys noticed at the discord server that we visual the race, not just only use a live ticker or even more worse, just a endresult. first we experimentated with self-drawn-paint tracks. after this, we tried to take real circuit models of slot car tracks. now we are a step more forward, we take sattelite pictures of the real F1 tracks which gives us the full real environment and a authentic feeling on the racedays. we use sattelite images from the tracks, or google earth pictures. some tracks are realy detailed! right now we train the AI to know the ideal line. Later, there will be (at least) another line for overtaking, maybe like 2 for overtaking (outside and inside line), maybe 4 lines at all if we decide to include a wet weather line. That means, we are able to program different lines. there is no limit. we even could give every driver personality if we analyze racing lines of real drivers and give them all a personal line related to their talent and speed.
you wanna play a game? lets see how authentic this feels:
which track in our game is this?
small picture of the development progress: Attachments:
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Post by ferrim on Oct 8, 2020 17:35:51 GMT 2
Too easy! New Hockenheimring.
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Post by ftoons on Oct 12, 2020 17:46:57 GMT 2
This is so cool! Great idea and good luck with it  |
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Post by manuel on Oct 15, 2020 20:13:37 GMT 2
Little update: Following the progress of development, we discovered that our server is way too small for a project like this. The real time simulation of the races needed much more power then our server gave us. So we canceled the server. Goodbye my Server, was a good friend for 9 year! ....And welcome new server! And what a beast it is!^^ With a 1Gbs connection and 32 GB of RAM, this beast can handle our new Grand Prix Manager Online very well! The new Manager can be found here: www.gpmo.eu and all GPW downloads have migrated to the new server, too: www.gpmo.eu/gpw/Feel free for ideas or take part of the progress! Clarkey CCFC helps us out in making some sponsors and calculating sponsor budgets for the game. So you dont have to be able to program PHP or something like that, sometimes small grafics or good ideas can already help |
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Post by veedub on Oct 30, 2020 9:25:15 GMT 2
Nice to see a new game in development. I like games with shiny graphics but sometimes the simplest ideas are best, as graphics take up so much development time.
I always liked Grand Prix Wizard, even if it lacked immersion and strategy. It got the basics right. It may give you some ideas and how to run multiplayer etc.
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Post by manuel on Oct 30, 2020 15:44:22 GMT 2
hey thanks for the tip mate!
in EVERY motorsport manager i saw, even the worst one, there was at least one feature i liked and i may want to copy. so i learn from every manager that was ever released. this one seems interisting in the driver profiles. thanks alot!
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Post by Stewart Grand Prix on Mar 3, 2021 19:18:13 GMT 2
Did this project stop? Be a shame if so, sounded so good! |
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Post by manuel on Mar 6, 2021 11:14:08 GMT 2
Hey Guys,
There is something i may should share with you guys because I know you guys are waiting for updates, or need help with GrandPrixWorld or whatever.
In January, i got the diagnose that i got cancer. Before some of you go panik: I already got operated and it has been successful. Right now, I recover from the operation and the healthly issues that come with cancer. The doctors say that i dont just make it, they say i have very good chances that after all this, i can life my life like before.
So what is planed in the future? For sure, we go back to work on the game! Sven, the guy i program this with, drove me back one day from the hospital to home. I had to visit the hospital several times. So even in this time, we have contact and we will go on with it. But as you may all understand, in this situation there are new things that get important. Iam 31 years now. I married 3 years ago and 2 years ago my wife and i bought a house in our small town called Emsdetten. So, we are in an age where you plan your life. And this has interrupted all for us. We would like to get kids, but the doctor makes it very clear that this is not possible for me anymore. Thats a huge impact for my wife and me, and the free time i got now is very important for us to be together. I hope you can understand that there are just things happening now, that are more important than gaming or program something for fun.
I thought about telling you guys or not, but i think it is better for everybody to know the reasons. And Id like to continue being part of the community instead of hiding behind a illness. When you get something like cancer, many people hide. But cancer is not a shame and if you know it, its ok for me.
Last thing i can say is keep racing, keep an eye of yourselfs and keep playing F1 Management games!
Manuel
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Post by Stewart Grand Prix on Mar 6, 2021 18:21:02 GMT 2
Manuel, Please get well soon and focus on life and your loved ones & I wish you all the best and hope for lots of time in the future for Management games! |
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Post by sean on Mar 8, 2021 22:43:30 GMT 2
Manuel, thank you for sharing this personal news with us, I wish you all the best and take all the time you need to fully recover and get better again.
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Post by manuel on Mar 12, 2021 0:58:47 GMT 2
Thank you guys!
Many guys that i met while in hospital, are hiding from others because of cancer. They feel a shame because they cant work or do things like before. But i recover very quick! iam already back at work. the operation was in january. so iam very fast back at work and i hope that it gets easyer with every week :-)
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